Another dream i had - a social catch up the impossible goal - is it just me?

topic posted Sat, June 14, 2008 - 10:04 PM by  Dee
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hi everyone

in the spirit of sharing...it was just about two years ago that I came back from the Tribal Trance fest in the blue mountains, all inspired incredibly by the standard of dancing and the workshops where I'd learned so much. I remember catching up briefly with some of the other teachers before I left Katoomba for breakfast but really felt in amongst the hustle and bustle of rushing to this event or other it was a shame we didnt have some sort of social night - a cocktail party or some event where I could walk up and meet such and such from this tribe, instead of staring at someone's back in a workshop not knowing who they were etc.

In talking to Deb in her earlier planning she asked us if we'd be interested in hosting such an event, to which we jumped at the chance - we're still fairly new and eager on the Tribal scene, actually I kind of feel like a teenager with some groups yet forming after us, but many of my peers already on the scene before. We'd rolled out the red carpet in Brisbane when Urban Qabila and Nina came to town last year for our Feast of the Senses event, and made sure we all got to have some fun at dinner before we got into the serious business of dancing!

Anyway thats where this little dream came about, so I rang around what felt like a million clubs and venues and found one that wasnt too far from most of the action, and after planning with the blossoms we decided to go with a Trivia theme - not to test anyone but to open up some quirky questions and give us all something "to do" while we have a few drinks and meet and greet.

And now with just on 2 months to go, i've got like 22 confirmed attendees....with 12 from my own tribe. I'd really like to get some feedback, as right now I'm just trying to hold onto my motivation and enthusiasm but its hard when - literally a lot of people havent even replied to my emails or messages....and I dont know if this idea was just so out of leftfield or if the tribal community isnt interested like I'd thought they would be.

I guess too when some people have told me their group had decided not to come....I have to wonder - is it the price/the venue/are people shy? is it that they're not landing in sydney til that morning? that they're not interested in getting to know others who embrace this dance with the same fervour that we do?

so I'm just wondering what I should do, if I should keep pushing it (and stressing about the lack of numbers & the big silence)....
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  • Hi Dee ... maybe we are all just shy! ..... Four of us are coming over from Adelaide and as yet have not booked flights so when we finally make the best choice financially that will dictate when we arrive and whether we will be joining you for a night of trivia! ... there are so many considerations of which you have listed some really relevant ones. Try not to stress, every one comes to festivals for different reasons, education, networking and fun (not necessarily in that order) !! Ps thanks for moves for the sword workshop ( my first reaction was eeeek! its all gc !!! luckily Mirahmar has come to my rescue and will get me up to speed ) regards Evangeline
  • Aaah, the big silence. It is a killer you know, and I am one the guilty ones who didn't reply. Firstly, because of the roller coaster ride with major weekly ups and downs with my dancing troupe, it just wasn't possible to know where we would be at in September (ie. did Black Diamond still exist), and secondly because time had passed and I overlooked responding to you Dee.

    So, mea culpa, Dee. Please accept my apologies.

    Realistically, I just can't say if my troupe will be around - some of them want to do workshops, but I'll bet you I won't get a commitment from them one way or the other, which is really tough when you are organising an event.

    As for the tribes getting together is a really fine idea. It is a great idea, and that is why Tribe works because you can connect, but in your own time and share as much or little as you like. Yeah, but it not the same as your idea.

    I thought that with Black Diamond or Belly Dance Alliance, no one would know anything about us anyway, and then there is the" we're not good enough or out there enough" feeling - well, that just might be my thinking that.

    Dee, maybe it is just only 30 of us in Australia who really cares this much about tribal and thirst for communion with other tribal dancers, the rest just like the jewellery and RB costumes and snakey arms.

    Boy, I am a little cranky pants tonight. Saw the Dalai Lama yesterday, and the big message at the public talk was about compassion. So all you tribal dancers who are only half way committed, please have some compassion for us poor obsessed women who want to learn and teach, but would like to have others to feel the same way.

    Aaah, just another bit of sillyness from me.

    Susan
    • Thank you Susan & Evangeline

      i spoke to the girls tonight about my dilemna, and when they said to me "well what have people been saying" and I said "well thats the thing i've had nothing back" we kinda sat there and pondered, and I wondered if it was the trivia thing that made it hard....if people would be interested in just coming along and having a drink we can ditch the game idea.

      I feel your pain Susan, sounds like you're on a bit of a yoyo and thats so hard to plan and dream with....and it makes it hard when there are others who are established, who maybe will get to responding in due course, but just a figure is nice...and I wonder too if we will ever all find the one forum to talk/share our ideas and inspiration. I hope that no one does think they're not good enough or that stuff, I tend to go on as i guess im full on and still very much a glass half full kinda gal, that we can all sit around a fire and share....we are all after all just a bunch of women doing the same dance arent we??

      I'm with you that i live for this stuff, its really brought so many wonderful people and friendships and dance partners to my world....and the jewellery!! (today I brought out a new edict being im happy for any of my students to travel overseas when they bring me nice pressies - got a gorgeous piece of miao jewellery that was the envy of my whole class today, I felt very lucky indeed)

      ok i'll continue to wait and hope - one of my girls was going to start up a mailing list to all the teachers with chocolate attached in order to get a response - how gorgeous is she??
      • [quote] " I wondered if it was the trivia thing that made it hard....if people would be interested in just coming along and having a drink we can ditch the game idea." [/quote]

        Err... actually it was the trivia part that really appealed to me. :)

        I am a shy person (some people do not believe that, but it is painfully true) and "having a drink and a chat" is not really my scene! I always end up hovering on the edges feeling awkward and never quite fit in.

        The Trivia thing very much appealed to me as an ice breaker, and I would be more comfortable in that kind of scenario.

        But whatever you decide to do is cool. :)

        Annabella
        xx


        • Hi Dee

          I'm sorry that you're having this battle to get people to respond, let alone commit coming to the trivia night. It can't be that hard to say either yes, no or even maybe.

          I think you've done a great job to organise it - especially from QLD.

          I had a ball with you and the girls the night before your Brissy show and it's nice to get to know the names and faces and think it would be lovely to do the same here.

          I'm one of the ones who always wants to just have a chat and a catch up when ever possible and hate that sometimes at soirees there's only time for a hi and half a sentence before someone has to leave.

          I'm with Annabella, whatever you decide to do is fine, just so long as we get to catch up,a few drinks and swap a some war stories (and I can give you a big hug).
    • Re: Another dream i had

      Tue, July 1, 2008 - 8:22 PM
      I can only speak for myself here, susan, but since we will be travelling at least 2 hours to get there, and several of us in BD have to work on friday or at least wait for partners who are working, it's just not feasible for us to get to Oatley in time for this event. It is my understanding, however, that we are all committed to going to the festival on Saturday and Sunday.

      But like Annabella, i think the trivia is a good idea since i, too, am a wallflower (wish i could say shrinking!).
  • Hi Dee,

    This is such a shame. When I first heard about the Trivia Night, I thought "Cool! This will be fun" and I am really looking forward to it.

    I was very surprised and saddened when I realised that many of the girls from W.A. were not intending to come along. I know that some do feel a little shy, and that others want to party in Newtown on the Friday.

    Most people are just dreadful at RSVP-ing, and just don't stop to think about how difficult it is to organise something when you have not got a clue how many to expect.

    Why don't you post this same message to the autraliantribaldance Yahoo group at groups.yahoo.com/group/aus...ribaldance Currently there are 190 members in the group.

    Perhaps reading about your dream and the sad lack of response so far might prompt a few more to reply, and to come and join in the fun.

    Good luck, Annabella





    • Hey I'll come.

      I guess for me, the problem has simply been that everyone is making plans - but unless you're 'in the know' or part of a group, troupe or school- you're kinda a fringedweller....

      Like me for instance...I just moved from Perth, to NSW and haven't gotten to a class yet (Monday and Tuesday nights here I come!). And unless you're a member of a dozen different sites- you don't find anything out.

      I class myself in the mushroom class. There is so much going on around the place in the Bellydance world- I just don't tend to hear about it.....which is a pity- because as a vendor, I'd love to come and visit studios and stuff...it'd give me an excuse to meet everyone, and spread the love that is Eye Kandy LOL!

      I will be there excluding any mishaps. Might even have an extra couple of people with me (My mum n Sister-depending)
      I'm not bad at trivia!
  • Hi Dee

    Don't loose heart, your dream is beautiful and an honoured one...others share it... it is an inspiring and a great seed to plant.
    When we are personally and/or professionally attatched to something, our expectations, heart and soul become entwined with it and it is disheartening, frustrating and confusion... when things don't appear to be moving in the direction that we hoped. Remember that the essence of your idea/dream and how people respond (or don't respond) can either be interpreted as two separate things or linked. I think this is not so much that people don't want to connect, meet and strengthen community but more about the personal, situational and event issues that surround people, their lives and dance. Many may be passionate about dance but, a balance needs to be struck, particular for those who see it an a interest... not professionally. There is the constraints of life... family, work, living costs, fuel prices, distance, other interests, getting the money together to come to the festival, self confidence, being unsure about whether they would 'fit' or 'know enough' for a trivia night and then all the interpretations of what an event like this may involve or represent....
    In all the years I have worked in the community development, community services..... sectors RSVP to events, training... I have come to understand that responses can be low and there is often a whole range of reasons for this. Sometimes RSVP's reflects on the event... and other times its the opposite and a huge success. I am also aware that when co-ordinating large scale events or events that are bring people together from great distances, differing economical positions, skills levels, experiences.... and we remain separate up until the event it can be isolating and open up a whole range of dobts, concerns... as there is limited ways to bounce the issue around and check in about the process, content and context.
    I believe that it is also important, although difficult not to compare what each of us would do to someone else. Commitment, events like the festival, trivia night... mean different things to each, because we all interprete them through our own value systems, emotional and social radars, budgets.... we all at the end of the day prioritise or make decisions and judgement against our individual check lists. This too, is to be respected as much as the the belief in community building...


    Anyway enough dribble from me. If the dream is central to you Dee, do not loose it. If it comes to bear fruit that is a special reward and if it doesn't, then only you can decide whether it is worth planting another seed and trying again in a different form.

    I will light a candle, add the trivia night to my mediations and put it into the blessing circle group if that is ok with you.

    Take care, big hugs and keep your light shining
    Namaste
    Becky x
    • My "lessons" too are about attachment - I love this ATS thing, I am the only one teaching it in our area, our classes are too small to make much of a go at anything, ie. improving or performing. I don't want to "own" it here in Newcastle, but no one wants to take up where I might leave it. So if I don't bang the drum, it won't happen, then a large part of my interests will no longer be exercised (love of the music, moving the body in a fun way, costuming, jamming with other dancers).

      Becky where you mentioned people's commitments and constraints, do you refer to people who are NOT teaching, nor worrying about whether they will make the rent/insurance/phone bill/ advertising/music buying, or when and if their partner will say enough is enough when their joint limited income becomes compromised? (SORRY LONG SENTENCE) The teachers are the ones sticking their necks out, such as Dee organising Tribal Allsorts or Deb organising T & T Festival, or any teacher organising a soiree. So a bit more support from the others would be very much welcomed.

      There is my two cents worth. Again.

      Cheers, Susan
      • Hi sandra *wave

        I hope I have interpreted your question to me correctly. My post intially reffered to those not teaching as many of the previous posts I interpreted where associated with 'general participants' (if that's an appropriate way to phrase it). The intent of my response (a draw back of trying to communicated via email/postings) was not to say that support should not be given to teachers... or that we should not canvas support for an event... teachers efforts to host an event nor encourage students and the community alike to attend the event.... But raise the point that when we make the decision to host, sponsor... an event we do this in conjuction with weighing up all the issues you mentioned, making an informed decision and committing to thepotentail implications of risks that may apply because we believe in what we are trying to achieve. This is to be commended and, what I was hoping to convey was my support to Dee to hold onto the dream and the belief that the support for it and the process surrounding it are out there. That I think people believe in the notion of community, connection... and although it is hard to get disheartened at the lack of response, it doesn't always infer that people are not interested or share the dream. Secondly as teachers and/or as a business we make informed choices that nuture our objectives;goals and potential that of others... In that, there is always a risk and we need to be clear and I guess set boundaries around what that is going to look like...even if it means things don't eventuate the way we would hope.

        Being a teacher or a sponsor/host of an event.... can mean that we can be faced with a task which results in us feeling or actually being alone in holding all the risks, work..... sometimes not feeling supported or potentially considered it as something personal. It takes strong, committed, motivated, inspiring people to do this teacher, host and build community and this is always to be honoured and supported. Hence encourage ech other to hold onto the dreams :)

        I hope this has helped to clarify what I was trying to convery somewhat?

        Namaste
        Becky
        • "...teachers efforts to host an event nor encourage students and the community alike to attend the event.... But raise the point that when we make the decision to host, sponsor... an event we do this in conjuction with weighing up all the issues you mentioned, making an informed decision and committing to thepotentail implications of risks that may apply because we believe in what we are trying to achieve..."

          Yes, Becky you're right. My nature is to just jump in and expect everyone to follow ... sometimes I forget to look objectively at these situations when wanting to organise an event. When I do look objectively (with the prompting of my calm husband) I realise that my efforts will most likely be wasted because my enthusiasm is not matched by others - then nothing happens.

          Having said that, next weekend, (12 July) there is a dance festival (different dance genres being represented - ie. not only Oriental dancing) in Newcastle called Festival Mystique being organised by Eastern Spirit Belly Dancers. The organiser is very motivated, so thank god she are sticking her neck out and putting her money where her mouth is.

          BTW I am selling basic tribal costuming - cholis (Annabella's pattern), pantaloons and hair thingies - Antonia is selling her fabulous dreadlocks and her artwork. - A SHAMELESS BIT OF SELF PROMOTION!

          Also, there are some other things happening, I heard a whisper that Tribal Jewells in Wollongong might be having tribal jams on a Saturday.

          Cheers, Susan



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